Bob Lazar

 Bob Lazar

Claimed he was a physicist hired by the Majestic 12 to reverse engineer alien propulsion technology at Area 51 back in 1989. At the time of his “disclosure” Element 115 was still undiscovered, Bob Lazar claimed this Element had a stable isotope which was the key to alien antigravity technology.

Some Popular Claims about Lazar that will be Explained or Refuted here:


  • Lazar worked at Los Alamos, showed George Knapp around there and people seemed to know him. His name was in the phone book in 1982.
  • The Los Alamos newspaper story on Lazar and his jet car called him a physicist with the lab.
  • In Las Vegas, security personnel, observed by others, visited Lazar at his home.
  • Lazar was noted by friends and family to “disappear” as part of a job.
  • He was able to correctly describe certain aspects of the facilities at Groom Lake.
  • He identified a location known as S-4 in the Nellis Range.
  • Lazar was able to correctly name specific people involved in the security process.
  • Edward Teller appeared to react visibly and uncomfortably when asked about Lazar in an interview.
  • He received a W-2 form from the government.
  • After Lazar’s story broke, some media members observed possible government surveillance and intimidation efforts.
  • Also after Lazar went public, persons around Lazar observed what appeared to be a vigorous and threatening government attempt to silence him.
  • Lazar “knew” about Element 115 long before it was ever synthesized.
  • And finally the absolute best, Lazar knew about the Wednesday night tests, and showed others.


Los Alamos & Kirk Meyer Corporation

After Lazar got to Los Alamos and set up his photo processing business, he managed to get a limited term, contract job with Kirk-Mayer. Kirk-Mayer was one of the smaller contractors supplying support staff to the Los Alamos lab, such as data entry personnel, machinists, fabricators and electronic technicians. Kirk-Mayer never did provide “physicists” or positions of that caliber. Lazar had some electronic technical education from Pierce College in Southern California and had some work experience with Fairchild, so he was hired as an electronic tech with Kirk-Mayer. I have interviews with several people who worked with him and he was described as a very clever troubleshooter and fix-it guy. He was there often enough to get listed in the LANL phone directory, with the denotation “K/M” next to his name, indicating his affiliation with Kirk-Mayer. Although the following ad is from the Albuquerque Journal in January, 1989, a few years after Lazar had left Los Alamos, it probably closely describes Lazar’s position at the time.

To date, the only “proof” that has ever been provided is an interview which Jeremy Corbell Lockyer did with an engineering physicist from Los Alamos name Dr. Krangle

In the interview no facts are presented by Dr. Krangle to back up his assertion that Bob was employed or worked as a physicist at Los Alamos other than:

  • Bob dressed like a total geek, complete with large glasses and a pocket protector and already showed an aptitude for playing the part of a physicist, including some basic knowledge of science, physics, and chemistry.
  • Bob seems to have made quite an impression on a lot of people while at Los Alamos with his jet car, and also seems to have used it to promote himself as a potential physicist with engineering capabilities.

Bob’s first experience lying to the media:

Lazar and his jet car established quite a presence in the small town of Los Alamos, and about a month after arriving, the Los Alamos Monitor newspaper did an article about him. The story described him as a physicist at the lab, but that was in fact only what he told the reporter his position was. Some people who knew him at the time were quite surprised to see that claimed title. I probably should take a small detour to talk about Lazar’s jet car, the article’s focus, first to demystify it a bit, and to show Lazar’s genius talent for low key self promotion is evident even then as well as his inclusion of nuggets of truth to sell the exaggerations and falsehoods.

The car was powered by what’s known as a Gluhareff Pressure Jet Engine. It’s a uniquely clever and quirky device, burning liquid propane, with no moving parts and noisy as hell. It was invented by Eugene Gluhareff, someone Lazar knew while growing up in the San Fernando Valley. There are images and videos online of Lazar as a kid with a Gluhareff jet strapped to a bike, then a go-kart. Fun stuff! Magazines like Popular Science advertised plans for these jet engines for many years and they can still be found online with a little Googling.

A problem arises when you read the Monitor article’s report of the claims Lazar made for the jet in his car. His claim it produced 1,600 pounds of thrust (deliberately derated down to 800 pounds) seems unlikely. The largest (and rarest) engine designed by Gluhareff, the G8-2-700 produced only 700 pounds of thrust, and was very large (see page 4 of the PDF on Gluhareff jets I linked to above for a sense of scale of the much smaller G8-2-130, which produced 130 pounds of thrust). Also, per Gluhareff’s own technical documentation, the G8-2-700 wasn’t designed until 1984, two years after Lazar arrived in Los Alamos. The jet car photos in the Monitor article show an engine roughly the size of a G8-2-130. As far as I’ve been able to determine, Gluhareff never designed anything with thrust as great as the 1,600 pounds that Lazar claimed his engine could attain.

Another measure of Lazar’s veracity is when he states it’s the most efficient jet engine available, using 1.3 pounds of propane for each pound of thrust it produces compared to 6 pounds of fuel for each pound of thrust with a regular jet engine. This is utter bullshit.

The values Lazar was tossing around are known as Thrust Specific Fuel Consumption (TSFC). From data on page 8 of the linked Gluhareff PDF it appears a G8-130 engine has a TSFC value of 1.33, so he hasn’t left reality there. However when you look up TSFC values for regular jet engines you find they are typically WELL below 1.0 pounds of fuel for each pound of thrust, and lower numbers are better. Hell, the Concorde burned 1.195 pounds of fuel for each pound of thrust at Mach 2, so even that fuel hog was better than a Gluhareff jet. In fact, Gluhareff jets are notoriously inefficient but were considered to have potential in some situations due to their unique construction/operation.

So having beat this horse well beyond death, given all his misrepresentation/exaggeration of his jet car, is it any stretch to think he might claim to be a physicist at the lab when he wasn’t? Yeah, I didn’t think so either.


Education Claims

To date, Bob Lazar can provide no clear proof or credentials to back up his education claims. He claims that the government destroyed all the records of his education. It later was discovered that Bob had been enrolled in courses at Pierce Junior College at the same time he was supposedly attending CalTech.

In 1993, the Los Angeles Times looked into his background and found there was no evidence to support those claims.[1] Stanton Friedman was only able to verify that Lazar took electronics courses in the late 1970s at Pierce Junior College.[4] The Times did discover that in 1990 Lazar had pled guilty to felony pandering, when he installed a computer system for a local brothel,[5] declared bankruptcy and listed his occupation as self-employed photo processor on documents.[1] A 1991 Times article reported, Lazar was “on probation in Clark County, Nevada, on a pandering charge. His educational and professional background cannot be verified — a fact he attributes to government deletion of records.”[6]

1. a b c Rivenberg, Roy (May 6, 1993). “Unusually Fanatical Observers Ike Struck Deal With Aliens! Trip to…” . Los Angeles Times.
2. “Tales of Vegas Past: The truth was out there” . Las Vegas Mercury. June 12, 2003. Retrieved 2008-12-12.
3. England, Terry (June 27, 1982). “LA MAN JOINS THE JET SET – AT 200 MILES AN HOUR” . Los Alamos Monitor. pp. A1 & A8.
4. The Bob Lazar Fraud December 1997 By Stanton Friedman
5. “Gene Huff’s Lazar Synopsis” . 1995. Archived from the original on 2007-06-07. Retrieved 2011-01-24.
6. Sands, Shannon (March 20, 1991). “Believers Are Not Alone Outer space: A Nevada military base lures the Faithful” . Los Angeles Times. Retrieved 2009-02-02.

Original Source:Otherhand.orgIn this installment we’ll take a look at the educational background Lazar claims to have, and what, if any, parts of it can be corroborated.


On the “Billy Goodman Happening” radio program, December 20, 1989:


Can you list your credentials?


As far as what?


Schooling, degrees.


I have two masters degrees; one’s in physics; one’s in electronics. I wrote my thesis on MHD, which is magnetohydrodynamics.

I worked at Los Alamos for a few years as a technician and then as a physicist in the Polarized Proton Section, dealing with the accelerator there.

I was hired at S-4 as a senior staff physicist to work on gravitational propulsion systems and whatnot associated with those crafts.


What school did you go to?


I’d rather not say, the reason being I am currently working with them under contract, and I’m having enough trouble with this as it is.

>From “Alien Contact”, by Timothy Good, in a March 1990 interview:

“Bob told me that he had attended Pierce Junior College, California, then the California Institute of Technology (Cal Tech), and the California State University at Northridge. A period of employment by Fairchild was followed by a return to Cal Tech. He claims to have obtained master’s degrees in physics (his thesis: Magnetohydrodynamics) from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and in electronics from Cal Tech. To date, no evidence for these degrees has been forthcoming. Although physicist Stanton Friedman has been able to verify that Lazar did indeed attend both Pierce Junior College and California State University, he drew a blank at MIT. ‘There’s no trace of him at MIT and no record of him having attended any course. Maybe he took a lot of courses but didn’t get a degree – that’s a possibility’”.

(Note of correction from TM: In personal correspondence, Stanton Friedman informed me that Good’s statement about Friedman’s verifications was in error. The only school Friedman was able to find evidence of Lazar’s attendance at was Pierce College. Friedman stated to me he drew a blank on Lazar at Cal State Northridge.)

>From the Pre-Sentence Report, dated 7/27/90, for Lazar’s pandering conviction. This was as related by Lazar to the Parole/Probation officer preparing the report:

8-76, high school graduate, Westbury, New York (verified)

1978, Bachelor of Science Degree in Physics and Electronic Technology, Pacifica University (correspondence university).

1982, Masters of Science in Physics, MIT, Cambridge, Massachusetts.

1985, Masters of Science in Electronic Technology, Cal Tech, California.

>From the “Ultimate UFO Seminar” at Rachel, Nevada, May 1, 1993:


Bob, could you tell us about your education? I’ve heard a lot of conflicting things; I’d like to hear from you.


That varies widely. As far as electronic technology, my degree there is from CalTech and physics is from MIT.


Did you go to Pierce College?


Yeah, I did. Where did you hear that?


A friend that said something, somebody I don’t even know. I just thought, it’s something I want to ask, to clear my mind.


Yeah, I went to Pierce and Northridge and then…I’m terrible at dates. I don’t know what date I was at Pierce, probably like in seventy-six or something, I was at Pierce and then seventy-seven or eight I went to Northridge just for a short time for some classes, then I was at CalTech, and MIT after that.



What was the year of your graduation from MIT, and did you get a Ph.D.?


No, it was a Masters Degree. The year. What was the year of graduation? Probably 82.

On the “Lark and Craig Morning Show” KOMP 92.3 FM, November 1994


Well, you’re a smart guy. Where did you go to school? How many degrees do you have?


Two degrees.


In what?


Physics and Electronic Technology.


So what is that? A Ph.D.? What is that?


No, they’re Masters degrees.


Masters degrees.



To summarize Lazar’s academic claims on the basis of his public statements he received the following:

A Bachelors Degree in Physics and Electronic Technology from Pacifica University in 1978.

A Masters Degree in Physics from MIT (Thesis: Magnetohydrodynamics) in 1982.

A Masters Degree in either Electronics or Electronic Technology from CalTech in 1985.

Note that there is a reasonable amount of consistency to his story over its various tellings. However, at Lazar’s Rachel talk he said he went to CalTech, then MIT.


There is a lot of data to cover, so for a first pass through, let us just look at where Lazar was at various points in time, and consider the possibilities of his attendance at the various schools he’s claimed.

Lazar graduated from high school in August of 1976 on Long Island, New York. Following that, the Lazar family moved to California, purchasing a home in the San Fernando Valley in June of 1977. It’s reasonable to assume that they had rented something in the area prior to purchasing the house, so that would have put Lazar in the area by late 1976 or early 1977.

Lazar has claimed to have attended Pierce College, a 2 year community college, in 1976. His attendance at this college, although not the precise time period, has been verified by Stanton Friedman. Lazar’s attendance at Pierce is quite likely given that he would have lived fairly close at that point in time.

Also in this general period, Lazar claimed to have attended Cal State Northridge “…just for a short time for some classes..”. This is possible and wouldn’t conflict with his general whereabouts.

The next time we can pin down Lazar’s whereabouts was on July 27, 1980 when he married his first wife Carol. According to the marriage certificate he was living in Canoga Park and he listed his occupation as “Electronics Engineer”. Curiously, he also listed his highest grade of schooling completed as 12. His location is consistent with statements he has made about working for Fairchild Industries, which was located in the San Fernando Valley.

Moving into the future, Lazar again surfaces 2 years later in the famous “Los Alamos Monitor” Jet Car story on June 27, 1982. The paper said the Lazars had moved to Los Alamos “…about a month ago from California.” >From other statements in the article, it’s apparent the Lazars had been in California for some time and that he had just started work at LANL.

Yet this is the year Lazar claimed, on at least two occasions, to have received a Masters degree from MIT. However there is no evidence whatsoever that Lazar was anywhere other than California or Los Alamos during this time. Indeed, there is no evidence in ANY of the numerous public records concerning Lazar that he had ever been in or around Cambridge Massachusetts.

When Lazar filed for bankruptcy in July of 1986, the information he was required to provide gives a snapshot of his whereabouts and activities in the years immediately prior to his filing. Is there anything in this mass of data that could even remotely allow for Lazar to spend a year at CalTech, obtaining his Masters degree, as he has claimed, in 1985?

Well, in it he states that the only places he’s lived in the previous 6 years were 2 addresses in Los Alamos (Note that this is already incorrect since he didn’t arrive in Los Alamos until mid-1982). He also states that his occupation for the previous 6 years was as a photo processor at his residence. Oddly, Los Alamos employment was not mentioned.

It also shows that he was very active in the Los Alamos area in 1985, borrowing heavily, apparently in part to support his photo processing business. For example, the records show that in March, 1985 he borrowed $12,000 to upgrade his business’s film printers. Other purchases in 1985 included a Corvette for $19,000, a number of personal loans, and finally a house in Las Vegas in June of 1985.

If we are to believe “Omni” magazine (and I’ll leave that to the reader’s discretion), in 1985 Lazar was on vacation in Nevada and bought into a legal brothel near Reno.

Again, the records clearly show that in 1985, and the few prior years, Lazar was either at Los Alamos or occasionally Las Vegas. There is not the slightest hint that he may have been working away at a Masters degree in Pasadena at CalTech.

Now that we have an idea of where and when Lazar was, let’s take a more detailed look at what information is available for each school.

W. TRESPER CLARKE HIGH SCHOOL, WESTBURY, LONG ISLAND, NEW YORK: There doesn’t seem to be any debate that Lazar did indeed attend and graduate from this school. In correspondence with Stanton Friedman, he stated to me, “Re the High School. Bob was graduated in August, not June, 1976, strongly suggesting that he had to take a summer course to get enough credits. He ranked 261 out of 369 (bottom third). He did take Chemistry. I obtained this information myself first hand from the school. They will undoubtedly deny giving the class rank to me since that is privacy act protected…it is a long story.”

PACIFICA UNIVERSITY: The statement in his Presentencing Report that he received a Bachelors degree from Pacifica, and labeled it a “correspondence university” is rather unique. I have seen a lot of statements made by Lazar concerning his education, but in none of them does he say where he received his undergraduate degree. It’s a subject he seldom mentions.

Unfortunately, Pacifica University has proven difficult to locate. A number of national college directories were consulted, including those listing vocational and correspondence schools. A few of the guides were “The College Blue Book”, “American Universities and Colleges” and “The McMillan Guide to Correspondence Study”. Nowhere was there a Pacifica University listed.

The State of California Department of Education’s Council for Private, Post-Secondary and Vocational Education was contacted. They regulate all vocational and correspondence schools within the state. They informed me that they had no listing for a Pacifica University within California, either now or in the past.

A search of statewide phone records, at least in California, did turn up a Pacifica Liquor Store, but as tempting an explanation as that might be, it probably has no relevancy. Assuming Lazar was enrolled in a correspondence school by the name of Pacifica University in the late 1970s, it would now appear to be out of business. Unless Lazar himself is forthcoming as to just where this establishment was, additional verification efforts are likely useless.

PIERCE COLLEGE: Lazar’s attendance at this institution has been corroborated, although the extent of his attendance is not known. This was done some time ago by Stanton Friedman.

It was also done a second time by Friedman after Lazar spoke at Rachel, Nevada in May of 1993. When asked to name some of his professors at MIT and CalTech, Lazar responded with the name “Dr. Duxler” at CalTech. According to Glenn Campbell, the only Duxler listed in the 1993 “National Faculty Directory” was a William Duxler, Director of Computing for Pierce College.

According to personal correspondence, Friedman then contacted Duxler at Pierce, who was found to teach physics and math at Pierce. Duxler stated he never taught at Caltech. Further, Duxler checked his old records and told Friedman that Lazar took at least one of his classes in the late 1970s.

CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITY AT NORTHRIDGE: Some people looking into Lazar’s schooling at Cal State Northridge may have picked up a false positive due to an interesting coincidence. There WAS a Robert Lazar who attended Cal State Northridge and graduated with a Bachelor of Science degree in Business in 1978. However a review of the photo in the 1978 CSUN yearbook, the “Sunburst”, clearly shows this is not our beloved Lazar, but rather someone else.

As previously mentioned, Stanton Friedman stated that he checked with CSUN and found no evidence that Lazar had attended there. Timothy Good has apparently misstated that fact in his book “Alien Contact”.

MASSACHUSETTS INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY: Standard inquiries have been made by George Knapp and Stanton Friedman and turned up nothing. Friedman informed me that he took the additional step of checking with the alumni office and at least the 1982 commencement list.

Glenn Campbell visited MIT in 1993 and searched through a number of the printed student records there. The idea behind this particular effort was that while elimination of computer records could be within the realm of possibility, it is essentially inconceivable that some agency would have the capability to change printed records that had widespread distribution.

Lazar, or any obvious misspellings of his name, was not listed in any MIT student directory between 1978 and 1990. Other publications checked included the MIT faculty/staff telephone directories from 1978-1990, the MIT “Degree List” from 1979-1990, and the 1989 “MIT Alumni/ae Register”.

This exhaustive searching, coupled with the June 1982 Los Alamos “Monitor” story that puts Lazar in Los Alamos newly arrived from California, leads to the inevitable conclusion that Lazar did not attend MIT as he claims.

CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY: Lazar has claimed, on different occasions, a Masters degree from CalTech in either electronics or electronic technology. Standard inquiries by Friedman and Knapp found no evidence of his attendance.

A recent visit by me with Natalie Gilmore of the CalTech Graduate Studies Department provided some important information. CalTech does not currently have, nor has it ever had any sort of graduate degree in “electronics” or “electronic technology”, or anything near those names. CalTech does offer a degree in Electrical Engineering.

Now if you have a friend or relative with an EE degree, you might, in conversation, refer to them as having a degree in “Electronics”, not realizing the distinction. However, if it is YOUR degree, it is highly unlikely after all the effort it required you would misstate what it was. People with advanced degrees, particularly in the science and engineering fields, are usually quite precise in the “pronunciation” of their degrees.

Assuming Lazar had a bachelors degree from an unaccredited school (The two year schooling period and correspondence status infer this), I asked Ms. Gilmore what the possibilities were for admittance into a Masters program at CalTech. She said it was possible, although extremely slim, due to the intense competition for admittance to CalTech. She also added that the Masters programs there are one year and require full time attendance.

However, Ms. Gilmore provided some additional data that actually support Lazar’s case, and in fairness should be mentioned. It seems that for most Masters programs at CalTech (including EE), a thesis is not required. Lazar has only claimed one thesis, in MHD, at MIT.

Furthermore, I had previously made a fairly exhaustive search through many years worth of the CalTech yearbook, “The Big T”, and was unable to turn up any trace of Lazar. However, Ms. Gilmore informed me that graduate students are usually not included in the publication. So it would seem that my efforts in this area, as reported in the timeline, are inconclusive.

However, the lack of on-campus evidence, coupled with his physical whereabouts still force the conclusion that Lazar never attended CalTech. His statement to the probation officer of a 1985 degree is particularly absurd in view of the activities he himself listed for 1985 in his bankruptcy papers.

After plowing through all this data, it is enough to satisfy me, personally, that Lazar never attended either CalTech or MIT. Of this I am certain of beyond a reasonable doubt.

How then do I explain the mystery of why Lazar clings so tenaciously to his claims of degrees from these institutions? I can’t really. To me it is one of the great mysteries of his story. I find it hard to swallow he would maintain such a story in light of all the means of verification. Of course there are other alternative explanations, but their probability is very small.

Only Lazar has the answer of why.

Possible Explanations:

  1. Lazar has lied, and continues to do so, about his educational background.
  2. In addition to all his other activities, Lazar was able to find time to pursue higher education and actually may possess a degree or degrees, but for unknown reasons wants to keep it secret and uses the CalTech and MIT degrees as a cover, taking the resultant abuse.
  3. The boys at S-4, as part of their efforts to discredit Lazar, in some way implanted the absolute conviction in Lazar’s mind that he possesses the degrees, making him appear a fraud to anyone checking his past.

A note to the readers:

This pretty much concludes the series, although I have 2 more installments planned. One is a list of little nagging questions, while not full fledged flaws, are still uncomfortable loose ends to the story that perhaps Gene can explain. Then finally a wrap up where I’ll look at a number of various theories from the wild to the sublime.

Bob’s Master’s Thesis on MHD

Bob Lazar never produced a copy of his Master’s thesis (on Magnetohydrodynamics MHD) from either MIT or Caltech. All efforts to track down Bob Lazar’s Master’s thesis (if it ever existed) from MIT have failed. How is this possible if he really did attend MIT?

Letter to John Andrews from Robert Kessler dated March 19, 1990. More evidence to support the assessment that there is no Master’s thesis on MHD at MIT from a Mr. Robert Scott Lazar

By far the most interesting detail in Bob’s History is the fact he listed his occupation as a self employed photo processor, and not a physicist. This should not only prove that he wasn’t a physicist, but that he possessed the kind of ability to forge the documents he provided as evidence for his employment at Area 51:

Lazar’s W-2 and ID Badge

To date the only documentation Bob has ever provided for his employment at Area 51 are these two documents:

There are several problems with these documents which prove them fraudulent, these are listed below:

1. OMB & Document Control Number

Lazar points out on his web page: ‘Note at the top of the slip is a field reserved for the O.M.B. (Office of Management and Budget.)’ like it’s something special that validates his argument. Well The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) approves all IRS tax forms that are subject to the Act and each IRS form contains (in or near the upper right corner) the OMB approval number, if assigned. So the ‘OMB No. 1545-0008 is the OMB Document Control number, nothing else and teachers and clerks have the same thing on their W2. See:

2. Employer’s Name

The “United States Department of Naval Intelligence”, if you look it up, has not formally existed since World War II, and has since been known as the Office of Naval Intelligence. (

Letter to John Andrews from Captain R. A. Jones U.S. Navy dated March 18, 1991 indicating that there is no government organization known as the “United States Department of Naval Intelligence” as Lazar claims.

Id Badge

The ID Badge should have been issued by the security company which was Wackenhutt for Area 51 at the time. Bob Lazar later admitted it was a replica.

Lazar’s Security Clearance and Timeline

Letter to Patricia French (Dr. Edward Teller’s secretary) by John Andrews dated 11/1/90 Note the chronology of events in the above letter. According to the letter, Dr. Edward Teller called Bob Lazar on November 29, 1988 and gave him a name to call. Then on December 6, 1988 Bob was flown to Area 51 to begin his first day which would include signing the papers and non-disclosure agreements for his job at Area S4. How could Bob Lazar have obtained a TOP SECRET “Q” level security clearance in only eight days when it generally takes between six to twelve months to obtain such a clearance?

Letter to George KnappLetter to KLAS reporter George Knapp by John Andrews dated June 5, 1990. Note the reference to a “Q” level security clearance. “OFI” refers to the Office of Federal Investigations.

Security Clearance Chart> <p> According to Lazar, he had to obtain a TOP SECRET security clearance which was “38 levels above Q” to work at S4. A TOP SECRET “Q” clearance generally takes between six to twelve months to obtain (far too long of a time-span for Lazar to have interviewed for the S4 job at EG&G, and starting work at S4 only eight days later). When referring to security clearances, the structure progresses as follows: Unclassified, Confidential, Secret, and Top Secret. From the Top Secret level, you may also obtain the following additions: Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) or Special Access Program (SAP). While there is a “Q clearance” security classification which falls under the jurisdiction of the Department of Energy (DOE), there is no such thing as “38 levels above TOP SECRET” as Lazar claims. In addition, there is no evidence to support the claim that the so called “MAJESTIC” clearance level actually exists as asserted by Lazar. </p> <hr width=

A More Plausible Theory on Bob Lazar:

Another interesting fact is that during the time Bob Lazar was supposedly working on a super above top secret military physics program to reverse engineer extra-terretrial space craft, he was also a close associate of two UFO enthusiasts named John Lear and Gene Huff, who knew all kinds of interesting rumors and stories about Area 51, and would have been exactly the type of guys that the security at Area 51 would be watching closely to make sure you weren’t talking to people like this…

Could it be?, that Bob’s friends helped him to craft his story in order to use it as a vehicle to get their “information” out to the public??

Note the similarities:

Bob Lazar’s Craft description:

Billy Meier’s craft description:

Billy Meier is another name I have included in the debunked bin. Although the artist who drew the image for Lazar likely was also influenced by the artwork produced for Billy Meier, I can’t help but sense that Bob plagiarized at least part of his UFO descriptions from the work of Billy Meier.

This is not the strongest point against Bob Lazar’s claims of authenticity, but I still thought I should include it for reference

 So why does Bob’s “Sport Model” look so much like the Billy Meier Craft???
One successful hoaxster borrwing from another??

Element 115

Later discovered in particle accelerator experiments in 2003:

The first successful synthesis of moscovium was by a joint team of Russian and American scientists in August 2003 at the Joint Institute for Nuclear Research (JINR) in Dubna, Russia. Headed by Russian nuclear physicist Yuri Oganessian, the team included American scientists of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. The researchers on February 2, 2004, stated in Physical Review C that they bombarded americium-243 with calcium-48 ions to produce four atoms of moscovium. These atoms decayed by emission of alpha-particles to nihonium in about 100 milliseconds.

Old Chemistry Textbooks used to show the higher elements predicted, though not yet discovered in the laboratory. Often with parentheses or a question mark next to the number. Assuming that Bob Lazar took High School Chemistry sometime in the late 1970s he would probably have seen something similar…

Bob could have easily made up the story about Element 115 from information available to any high school chemistry student.. Yet people somehow think that the discovery of an unstable isotope of Element 115 by scientists in 2003, somehow vindicate Bob Lazar’s claims of a SUPER-STABLE isotope of Element 115 with REMARKABLE ANTI-GRAVITY properties…

Click Here for a more in-depth discussion on the Nuclear Physics and Chemistry of Element 115

S-4 Fact or Fiction?

Map of the Nevada Test site showing Area 51 at the upper right. Site 4 or “S4” is actually off the chart and to the upper left at the Tonopah Test Range (TTR) indicated by the arrow. Area 4 is located within the immediate vicinity of Yucca Flats (Atomic testing area), and at least six miles west of Lazar’s “S4”. Note the perimeter of Dreamland airspace which cuts Papoose Lake in half. If a saucer somehow accidentally wandered away heading south during a test flight, it would no longer be within the jurisdiction of Area 51 restricted airspace.

Site 4 is actually a radar installation located in Tonopah NV, (70 miles northwest of Area 51), and NOT south of Groom Lake as Lazar claims. Maps of the Nevada Test Site clearly indicate that there is an “Area 4” but it is located at least 6 miles west of Papoose Lake (which is located off the chart and to the right). How do you explain this discrepancy? (see above map). Also note each of the tiny dots on this chart which indicate the location of an atomic test. Obviously, Area 4, Area 2, Area 7, and Area 9 would be highly contaminated with radiation (hardly the place for a secret saucer base)

Bob Lazar claimed that he worked between December 1988 and April 1989 in at the zone S-4

The Jerry Freeman Story

 The Jerry Freeman story completely challanges the narrative put forth by Bob Lazar about a Top Secret Base on Papoose Lake called “S-4”. For if Bob’s story were true, then Jerry Freeman would most certainly have been apprehended for coming so close to the base.

To date, no credible evidence has ever been put forth to prove a facility ever existed at Papoose Lake, where Lazar claimed this top secret Government owned UFO hanger was…


The Zeta Reticuli 2 Corporation and defrauding of Bigelow Aerospace

 I just came across this 1997 article by Glenn Campbell offering a skeptical theory about Bob Lazar and his claims:


Lazar made up the story on his own based on his own significant technical knowledge, his peripheral work with a contractor on the Nellis Range and the prior Area 51 alien claims of John Lear (aliens eating humans in a vast underground base), which Lazar "cleaned up" and made more plausible.

What was Lazar's motivation? Money. Under Theory #1, Lazar cooked up the story to obtain funding from Las Vegas philanthropist Robert Bigelow, who was known to sponsor far-out projects.

Some details not mentioned in the article…

    • The registration for the “Zeta Reticuli 2” corporation is a public record at the Nevada Department of State, which registers corporations. Both Lazar and Bigelow are listed as officers. As the story goes, Lazar not only worked with Element 115; he managed to smuggle some of it out, and the corporation was somehow intended to test or exploit it. (So much for intense base security! How can a low-level employee smuggle what is arguably the most precious substance on Earth?) We still don’t know the purpose or business plan of the Zeta Reticuli 2 Corporation. The only thing certain is that it existed. We can also assume that when a private corporation is formed, its intent is to make money.
    • Lazar himself had no idea his story would get so big. He was just out to pull off a modest con (according to Theory #1). Almost from the day the story was broadcast (and he was identified publically as the source), Lazar has been trying to put the brakes on it.
    • Lazar has never been to Area 51! If he had, he could have described innocuous details of the base that any genuine worker would know — like the cafeteria or what you first see when you get off the plane. There are a LOT of people who can verify these details, and one former worker in particular (who I met) grilled Lazar in private about them and got nowhere. Funny that someone would be willing to reveal details of a super-secret saucer program but not details of the cafeteria.
    • Lazar had reason to be afraid of the government! If he had a security clearance, he could have been prosecuted for releasing classified information or any information about classified facilities — even innocuous non-alien information. (LOL! So maybe THAT’S why he can’t discuss the Area 51 cafeteria! If he had been there, he could have been prosecuted for that, whereas he can’t be prosecuted for revealing a nonexistent saucer base at Papoose Lake.)
    • FBI interest in Lazar was real. Knapp describes interaction with an agent “Mike Thigpin” who was apparently investigating Lazar. Knapp takes this as evidence the Lazar story is true. My interpretation, however, is that as soon as the Lazar story was broadcast on KLAS-TV, the government itself was scrambling for answers to determine if any classified (non-alien) information had been released.
    • Lazar says that he went public on KLAS only to save his own life. There could be an element of truth to this! Remember that Lazar first appears on KLAS in shadow as “Dennis”. If the government managed to identify him anyway and Lazar had a security clearance, then they are going to start harassing him. Every if the story is fictitious, he has certainly breached security protocols. The best way to save his own ass is to go fully public with his (fake) story. Then he is protected by publicity and the government can’t touch him.
    • Knapp says that Los Alamos denied Lazar worked there, but Knapp found Lazar’s name in an official facility phone directory. Proof of a cover-up? Not exactly. Los Alamos is a big place, with lots of contractors and sub-contractors. Lazar could have worked “at” Los Alamos without working “for” Los Alamos. There is no question he worked for a contractor there (which certainly would have given him a primer on government secrecy).
    • I remember seeing a document in the pre-internet era (although I haven’t been able to find it again) which purported to be an internal military memo, released at the time of the KLAS broadcast, confirming that Lazar had worked on the Nellis Range, but that he had never been to any “forward areas”, apparently meaning Area 51. It remains plausible but unproven that Lazar worked briefly on the Nellis Range and could have picked up many details of his story there. That he worked on the range and/or had a security clearance was reason enough for the FBI to take an interest in him after his claims were broadcast.
    • Lazar is a smart dude, no question about it! (That is, smart in technical ways, not necessarily in his own life choices or in the ways of other people.) Although he probably misjudged public response to his story and probably didn’t gain the reward he sought, he can certainly look a few chess moves ahead and say, “If I do this, then this other bad thing will happen to me.” That may explain why he hasn’t exploited his story in the obvious ways, like taking big fees for speaking at UFO conferences or giving interviews. (However, that hasn’t prevented him from seeking Hollywood deals. Maybe he is just trawling for bigger fish.)
    • In May 1989, around the time Lazar first went public, Scientific American published an article on hypothetical elements in that vicinity. Back in those ancient pre-internet days, everyone read the same magazines. Lazar was certainly well-read and intelligent, and Scientific American would have been on his reading list. It is conceivable he picked up Element 115 from there.
    • My ex-wife once worked at TTR and she drove back and forth in her own car between there and Rachel. She passed “Site 4” every day, although she swears it was labelled “S4”. It’s a radar facility on a plain with no hillsides you could build saucer hangers into, but this real name could have found its way into Lazar’s story. Perhaps he indeed worked there! (If so, then he might have attained a degree of legal protection by displacing it to Papoose Lake.)
    • Before making his UFO claims, Lazar was a friend of Jim Tagliani, who worked at TTR at the time. He could have told Lazar about “Site 4” on the Nellis Range as well as other information about range operations.
    • There’s nothing at Papoose Lake. Nothing. We’ve looked at it from every angle (short of setting foot there). The key thing is roads. There’s no road infrastructure that could support even a few buses a day, let alone a major construction project in the area.
    • I like this quote from my article: “True or false, I feel the Lazar story has enriched my life in many interesting ways.”


Requirements for Re-Evaluation: Discovery of a Stable Isotope of Element 115 as predicted and described by Bob Lazar. With the magic number of 184 neutrons, therefore, having an atomic mass of 299.

Until Lazar can confirm his educational background, and his scientific claims, we must conclude that his story was a total fabrication.

Did Bob Lazar do it for the money???

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